Women in the Business Arena™ EP86: How to Handle Uncertainty with Confidence

“Procrastination is the gift of awareness. Underneath procrastination is the thing we're avoiding and that's what needs to be loved and appreciated.”

This week on the Women in the Business Arena Podcast, we are revisiting the topic of procrastination. There are times in our business that we mislabel the need to move more slowly through a task as procrastination. There are other times, however, when we really are procrastinating or rather avoiding something. What we’re hoping to bring to light in this episode, is the importance of reframing procrastination. Too many women are beating themselves up for it. How do we use procrastination as a tool to help us integrate ourselves, and to move forward into a more productive and fulfilling business and way of living? 

“The things that we're procrastinating are important. It's actually a gift. Because usually, those are really significant aspects of self that are seeking integration. They're giving you such a big pushback because of their significance. This is a really big piece of your psyche coming into a new state of awareness.”

The key to moving through procrastination isn’t judgement and in fact, that only creates more procrastination. Instead, we have to reframe it. When we can change our perspective about procrastination, we can integrate it, rather than avoid it, fear it, or feel shame regarding our tendency to procrastinate. Our procrastination is a gift. It is highlighting an area of self that has yet to be integrated. If we’re feeling the discomfort of avoidance, that means we are on the brink of a breakthrough. Recognizing that unintegrated part of self that rests below the surface of our procrastination can give us the compassion we need for self and give us the courage to face it head-on. 

“The mind, especially with procrastination, will feed you a story and then keep perpetuating that loop over and over and over again. Sometimes it's quite hard to break that cycle yourself.”

This is why it can be good to have support and to work with someone who can help you look at what you are afraid to look at. One of the number one areas of procrastination for women, across the board, is finances. If you struggle with fear, avoidance, shame or guilt regarding money, and find yourself procrastinating when it comes to finances, you are not alone. Having the courage to love yourself through this process and dig below the surface of procrastination is crucial in order to have a sustainable business. You will not make money unless you get comfortable with sales. Listen in to learn more about the gift of procrastination, and how you can get through procrastination and gain confidence, compassion, and success. 

Some Topics we talk about in this episode: 

  • Introduction - 0:56
  • Asking the Tough Questions: Techniques for Self-Inquiry - 6:22
  • Procrastination is the Edge of Breakthrough - 17:26
  • Why Procrastination is a Gift - 19:27
  • The #1 Area of Procrastination - 23:19
  • Why Overcoming Procrastination Takes Patience with Yourself - 30:38
  • Wrap-up and Takeaways - 35:50

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Sonya Stattman: 00:56 Hi and welcome to the Women in The Business Arena Podcast. I'm your host, Sonya Stattmann, and I'm here with my beautiful co-host, Laura Shook Guzman. Hey Laura. How are you doing today?

Laura Shook Guz: 01:07 I am doing pretty well. But I have been noticing something and we're going to talk about it today.

Sonya Stattman: 01:19 Okay, yes! I'm really excited about the topic. As you know, Laura and I really love the emotional topics. We love the business topics and the structure topics, and those are all good, but we really loved the emotional topics. So that's what we're going to talk about today. I think it was a couple months ago, we sort of dove into the idea of procrastination and how to really determine if it is actually procrastination or not. Because what I think is that a lot of people label things procrastination when really it's like the need to go slower or there's some misalignment. And that's actually telling you that there's some misalignment and it's something to pay attention to. But today we want to talk about the flip side of procrastination. So what is really like when we are actually procrastinating, when we are actually avoiding or pushing off the things we know we need to do, the things we know that are lined and good for us, but we're still sort of not doing it. You know what's behind procrastination?

Laura Shook Guz: 02:18 Yes. We're going to unearth the unconscious, which I love. Okay. Because I actually have procrastinated on a lot of things in my life. I was one of those. We've talked about this on YouTube. In school, I would wait until one of the last minutes and then I'm up and doing my final and then I could pull off an A. So I eventually learned like procrastination for me in school was a coping mechanism with stress where it's like I would just kind of put off distress and then use it to propel myself into action. And that was a good short-term strategy but not sustainable. So I've learned over. But in business, I've really found that when you're especially a soloprenuer, there's not a lot of other people you can blame. You can't point fingers at the team that's slowing it down or this person over here is bottlenecking my project. It's like you really have to look at what's going on with you. And you said, like we spoke about this when sometimes it isn't procrastination, it is system misalignment and so just evaluating that and pivoting. But there are times that procrastination is real because there is something you're putting off. And yet you have this suspicion that you really need to do it. Like hiring that person that you really feel you need, but yet you never take any steps to start researching or interviewing. Or reconciling your financial reports because you're about to go for more funding or you're about to sell your business or doing all the different things and you just won't look at your books. Or you need to make a big shift in your business and expand your business or downsize or something. Like these big things that you want to look at, at least a part of you that wants it. But every time, and it doesn't matter how many accountability partners you have, how many business coaches, you show up time and time again, empty-handed, that you just won't make any traction. And I'm sure you've seen this. Have you seen clients do this Sonya?

Sonya Stattman: 04:30 Yes. In twenty years of being in business, I've done it a lot myself as well. And I think that's the interesting part is like, we have to become aware and catch ourselves that we're procrastinating. And we have to make sure that again, if you haven't listened to our previous sort of topic on procrastination, I would highly suggest you listen to it because we have to also be able to discern if it's really procrastination or if it's a sign for us to sort of stop and evaluate something. But when it is actually procrastination and we're just avoiding something we know is good for us, we know is important. I think that's when we have to really dig in and yeah, begin to unearth the unconscious. Because what I find is most of the time it's like a block in mindset or a block the way we're thinking about it. Or it's a limiting belief or it's some of those internal ideas that we have about something. And so until we integrate those and until we understand what we're looking at, where we avoid it, we walk around it. And this is what I see. Like there's some people I work with for months and they're just walking around it and walking around it and walking and even though I'm like, we need to deal with this. They're like, no, no, no, it's this, it's this. And I'm like, no, no, it's actually this. But it takes, it takes them time to be able to finally go, oh, all right, let's deal with that. Like there's this denial sometimes when it's something really hard or something that really feels shameful or something that has a lot of pain or trauma in it, then yeah, we want to avoid it to the best that we can. And so we just make excuses. And that's not a bad thing. I think that one of the things that I struggling with in this area is that so many people are like, oh, I've just been making excuses and then they beat themselves up. No, no, no, that's okay. Like there's something traumatic there in that little ball of stuff that we're avoiding. And so it's okay. We have to tread on it gently.

Laura Shook Guz: 06:22 Yes, yes, very important. The non-judgment and the treading gently because what I think perpetuates that avoidance is that there is a little bit of the feeling, whatever you're trying not to feel. Whatever that shame or the trauma or the fear, you can feel the edges of it. And so then you're like, okay, not going to open that door. Let me walk away. But then there's a feeling as you feel it, you're like, and if I did go there, it would just turn into this shame spiral or I'd get completely lost in it. Or I'm horrible for even thinking that. It's like all of this negative story can happen when you're just feeling the edges of it. So of course none of us want to open that door and dive right in. So, I mean, today, I think the question is how can you approach the door, how can you look at sitting with those feelings and even at the edge of those feelings in a different way with curiosity and with compassion. Because we tend to go all in or all out. Like we'll completely dive into that and feel like I'm a horrible person for all of these different feelings or I'm just not going to look at that. Not going to look at that. So there is a middle ground, but it takes a mindfulness. Like to sit in and be aware of like, this is really hard. And one of the tools that I've actually used is. And who is it that uses the term radical self inquiry? There's a business coach, but it's a common term. But there was like a certain practice of just like, is that absolutely true? Is that absolutely true? You're just digging. Actually, I have a friend who was telling this story about a co-working space that she's a member of and at one of the members that, that was always his thing with everyone is he was always the why person. You would say, Blah Blah Blah. And he'd be like, but why? And then you'd answer. He's like, but why? But why? And it's really interesting because if somebody keeps asking you that, and if you ask yourself that enough times, it's kind of like, but why? Is that true? But why is that? Because I'm going to feel like a failure. Why? Why would you be a failure? Why is that? And why is that? It's like this deeper digging because sometimes when we just keep looking, we start getting past that story or that common mask that we keep trying to throw up because once we really have to answer the deeper questions, we realize that those questions are not really the questions that we need to be asking. They're all just smoke and mirror mirrors.

Sonya Stattman: 09:13 Yeah, totally. And I think that is why sometimes it's really good to have support on the outside. Like I know I do that for my clients. I know you do that for your clients. Like being able to have someone who can ask the right questions and who can dig into it. There are also a lot of techniques for self-inquiry. A lot of my clients will do morning pages or journaling because I find that's a really good this way. And just developing a practice of that to sort of dig in and look at what am I feeling, what's happening and questioning that. And one thing when it's something that's a little bit more painful or that we're really avoiding and we know it, sometimes it's good to do in and out. You might journal for a couple of minutes and then you might look out and sort of just connect with the nature around you or connect with people. Like if I'm in a coffee shop, I might write for a little bit and then I might just look around and notice the people around me and notice things, and just kind of put my attention out and then, maybe journal a little bit more and then do something else or talk to someone next to me or whatever. And I think sometimes just going back and forth is really helpful in terms of it not being too painful. We don't get stuck in it. It doesn't become some massive thing that we can handle. But it's kind of like dipping a toe in. And each time we get a little bit more comfortable with the water, get a little bit more comfortable with what would the topic that we're looking at. And I think on a bigger, higher level what we need to be looking at is it's so important to embrace this stuff. Like a lot of my clients will sort of hit things or something comes up around their mindset, around their fear, around things are procrastinating with. And they're like scared to go in and I'm like, this is awesome. Like the fact that it's coming up, is awesome. Like let's deal with that, let's play with it. Let's just feel it. Let's just sit with it. Like, all of that's good. And I think we've got to turn our framework around to look at, like when things start coming up, when we're avoiding things and we become aware of it, awesome. That means we can actually integrate it. We can actually work with it.

Laura Shook Guz: 11:18 Yeah. I love that you bring up the ways that you can go into deep pain gently by the in and out experience. And it's interesting because the neurobiology of that is social engagement. When we take attention out and we notice people, make eye contact with people, the human brain actually is wired to kind of recalibrate itself. We use this word in somatic experiences we call titrating. So we're in the activation of the journaling and the shame or whatever's coming up and we kind of feel flooded. But then as soon as we shift attention out, we're using a different part of the brain to see and engage with another human face and like make eye contact and all of a sudden that social engagement will shift us into a more resourced place. And so it's like beautiful that you gave that really practical way of thinking of that when we're in a cafe. Because often people feel embarrassed when they're starting to get really emotional. They think, oh, people are going to notice that I'm having this thing, but it's like just breathe and no one's going to notice. Then just like look around and just look at people and notice a face that looks really friendly and just let them smile at you and you'll smile back. Just letting that happen organically. So I love that you brought that up, remembering that we're not alone. So even if you're not in a therapist's office or a coach's office, you can do that with strangers in a way it's like really cool. I think that the unconscious work like you said, there's lots of ways you can do the journaling. You can have deeper conversations. And what I do with my clients, which is hard to do with myself, so I have to go to a therapist to help me do it, and I've done some of this with you, Sonya, is tapping into the sensations of where in your body are you feeling this resistance. So we go into our brain all the time. We're digging around in there with all the thoughts and the consciousness. That's what we've already analyzed. It's probably we've talked for years about it with our therapists or coaches or friends. And they're like, yeah, we know that's your pattern. But there's ones that you don't know yet are often in your body like a sensation that all of a sudden you notice is in your stomach every time you open your finances, you have this pit in your stomach. So instead of trying to understand why the pit is there, to go into the sensation and feel it. If you're on your own, it's just like, can I sit with the sensation, not judging it, not needing to even understand the narrative, but just allow myself to feel it and like breathe into this feeling. And sensations are interesting because usually if you give it more attention, it will move, it will change versus if you try to not feel it, it gets kind of bigger in a rigid way. Like it gets uncomfortable. Sensations are definitely a really good place to explore because it has story there that can sometimes come up because then you'll have an image of like, oh, I remember myself as a young woman being shamed because of this whatever thing. And every time I look at my books now I feel that same young person inside of me and it just makes me feel like I'm that person again. And that was a really traumatic time.

Sonya Stattman: 15:05 The truth is we all have these pieces and we're all working with them are not, either way. Like I know I'm constantly working with sensations and things I'm avoiding and things I'm scared of. I can't keep growing if I'm not working with it. And so it's like there's always this pattern. So I'm often in a coffee shop with tears in my eyes. People are probably looking at me going what the hell is wrong with that girl? And I'm journaling and I'm doing the thing and I think there's lots of practices that you can learn and then practice ongoing forever. I don't believe I will ever get to a place where I'm not integrating things, where I'm not bringing up old stuff or there's not emotional things there in my body. I don't think that's possible in this lifetime maybe. But for me it's just something I just see as an ongoing practice. And if you've never played with sensation, if that's kind of a foreign thing to you, I'd highly recommend getting someone like Laura, someone who works with sensation so that they can help you get started and then over time as you become practice with it, then it's definitely something you can continue on your own. But it's great to have support in the beginning because if you haven't worked with sensation, you might not fully understand what it feels like, how to interact with it. So it's great to have a somatic therapist to really guide you through that process. And I know like for me over time, like I use sensation all the time. And I go into it and I can feel the uncomfortableness. It doesn't mean I still can't use a therapist or I still can't have someone who helps me because sometimes I just can't see it or I'm stuck. But I've been able to practice and utilize that over time. But I think sensations are an amazing way to do it because it takes you out of your mind. Because the mind is very tricky. And our patterns are really interesting. And this is again why sometimes it's really important, especially with the mindset work or the internal blocks, it's great to have someone outside of yourself. Because the mind, especially with procrastination, it'll like feed you a story and then keep you perpetuating in that loop over and over and over again. Very justifiably so. Sometimes it's quite hard to break that cycle yourself. So it's great to have support to break it for you.

Laura Shook Guz: 17:26 Yeah, very good point. Yes, because that is protecting you. Your psyche thinks it's protecting you because it knows that there's this thing you're afraid of. So it's like we're going to keep telling you this story and you're going to keep avoiding and avoiding. But one thing I want to say about the things that you are resisting, the things that we're procrastinating on, it's important. It's actually a gift when you realize that it's there and you can identify like this is the thing. Because usually those are really significant aspects of self that are seeking integration. And they're just giving you such a big pushback because of their significance. Little things wouldn't be pushing back as much, but this is a really big piece of your psyche coming into a new state of awareness. It means that there's something you're on the brink of. Actually when I can reframe it like that, I feel a little bit more brave. I feel a little bit more courageous because then I'm like, you know what? I'm on the brink of this. If I can just gently learn to open that door or just walk to the door, look at that, or know that there's something really big behind it, but that it's okay to stand here and just witness a little bit of it, even on the edge of it. It changes how I think about it. If I remember that it is my psyche with something that's so important for me, that it's my work. It's like a part of your soul's work. Something to do with your evolution that if you do walk into that space and you can integrate it and you can be compassionate and you can look at something that you haven't been able to look at before, then it's going to really open things up for you in a new way.

Sonya Stattman: 19:27 That's the whole thing is we have to sort of shift how we see procrastination. We talked about this a little bit in the last episode on procrastination. But I think procrastination is always a gift to be honest. Like it's either a gift of awareness that there is something misaligned or something we need to pay attention to or it's the gift of awareness that there's something to be integrated. Like it really is a gift of awareness. And I think so often we just sort of make procrastination bad. We lump everything into this is just procrastination. We're wrong, we're bad, we're lazy. Like I think all of that sort of beating ourselves up around it has has to stop. Because it's a great gift. It's a great way for us to stop and assess, wow, okay, there's something here. I need to definitely stop and evaluate, integrate, work with it. Whatever it is. There is something here that is a gift. I think if we can start to look at that, then the procrastination stops becoming a pattern, and instead it is just a symptom. It's just like when our throat hurts and we know that something's going on in our body.

Laura Shook Guz: 20:31 Yeah, it's a sign to pay attention to it now. I love that. It makes me think of this really well known book for therapists to recommend to clients because it's written in a way that's really easy to comprehend and it's called The Gift of Fear, so it's about the gift of fear. And when you were talking about the gift of procrastination and when I first heard about that book, I was like, wait a minute. Like, okay, that's reframing fear because I had so many women with domestic violence, sexual assault history, so there's a lot of trauma and I'm thinking like they're not going to want to know that there's a gift in this. But the book speaks to the fact that it's like, it's like coming to be friends with this protective side of you and like realizing that there's aspects of your psyche. It's not trying to bring you down, it's not trying to ruin your life. It's just really trying to protect. And once we reframe that and realize we're not against ourselves, that there's just aspects of self that's going to do its best to protect us in our existing story or keep something from being integrated because it's afraid. But when there's compassion for it, then there's like an ease at which you can kind of start to let some of that awareness in. So in this book she just gives the example of like that there's times that fear saves you from danger and that's so important. Like you feel it and sometimes without even thinking you just sense something in your peripheral, you feel something in you change directions and then something would have hit you had you not moved. Like something just as simple as realizing fear is protecting you and sometimes there's a gift in that. In changing this whole thing of trying to be fearless, which is a huge thing in our culture right now to like for entrepreneurs, be fearless, just jump and make the leap, whatever. But I think consciously and mindfully, we leap and we're aware of certain dangers and we are letting fear be present and we're tuning into when it's telling us a nudge that we will listen to you and when it's just flaring up because it's something they haven't integrated. But I do think this is a whole other conversation we can have about like the shadow side of so many emotions getting a negative rap. Like the shadow is not negative. The shadow is just the other side of things that exists in the human psyche so that we have a balance between what we understand and what we're still integrating.

Sonya Stattman: 23:19 And I think like when you come to appreciate all aspects of self, in all of the things, the shadow side, the light side, all of it. Then we're able to have a compassion and kindness with ourselves that allows for more integration. And the more we resist the shadow side of the dark side and all of that, the less integration we have. So the less we're able to be whole. Because what we're talking about with integration is wholeness. Integration is making all of those unloved parts of yourselves or resisted parts of yourselves, making yourself whole. And I think you can't be whole unless you're starting to appreciate all aspects of self. And that includes procrastination, and really what's underneath procrastination. Procrastination is the gift of awareness. What's underneath procrastination is the thing we're avoiding and that's what needs to be loved and appreciated. I think for women you can sort of see areas where it's very common for women to procrastinate, across the board, finances is one of them. I think there are a lot of ways money and numbers and finances have very negatively impacted women in terms of like we're misaligned with greed or misaligned with doing everything just for the money. We're misaligned with the old idea of sales. So part of that misalignment then is where we adopt those old mindsets of those old frameworks and then of course we're misaligned and we procrastinate on doing our own finances or we've been shamed around finances. Like growing up or through the beginning of my business especially like I wasn't in it for the money. It wasn't about the money for me. But oftentimes the men in my life would shame me around that because it should be about the money and I should be about making a lot of money and it should be about charging what I'm worth. And that's true, it should be, but I think the way that a lot of men framed it in my life made me feel shameful around not making enough money and therefore then I would avoid sort of dealing with the finances for a long time. And so I think these are things that are common areas that a lot of women have to work with integrating and money in is really one of those.

Laura Shook Guz: 25:41 And the money stories that you're saying like that so many women hold. And there's a lot around women just working, doing emotional labor, not getting paid. And so there's almost like a disconnection from that energy exchange of money. So then to look at a whole report that evaluates how much money was going in and out and you're aware of like how much emotional labor you're providing. You have to look also at your own worth, like how much you've betrayed your worth if you weren't calculating certain aspects. So it's really, really, really interesting. And for me, I come from a nonprofit world where we've talked about this before. I received a lot of praise for being in the noble profession. That of course, you're not going to make money in that, but you're so great. You're such a good helper. My good girl complex received a lot of praise and reward. So to look at money, there's a shame around money that's not even attached to us to like a personal story. It's just like this collective, like you're not supposed to be about the money. And then when you're an entrepreneur, that's a little bit of a problem if you don't hit your numbers. Because then you don't have a roadmap and you don't really know what's going on. But there's so much. It can be experiences that you've had that are contributing to that procrastination because it brings up memories or ways that people used to talk to you about something or experiences you had. Or there's a collective consciousness that you are still like trying to conspire. You're still conspiring in some sort of truth. It's no longer yours but to address it means that you have to separate from it and sometimes the psyche doesn't want to flip a paradigm. It's more comfortable with what it has known. So procrastinating can be like, I'm going to stay in my little lane and keep believing what I'm going to believe and I've got my blinders on. Like horses. Just don't show me anything else. Anything yet.

Sonya Stattman: 27:59 That is the challenge. In looking at sort of my history with women and working with them, and where the areas where people procrastinate, number one is sales and money. Number one, like across the board, like way high number one. Number two would be like way down in that list. And I think it's because we all have so much stuff around it, whether it's money, sales, value, communicating our value, trying to get someone to buy from us. Like there's so many different sort of areas of conflict within that topic. So a lot of procrastination is often around putting ourselves out there, being able to talk about sales, being able to solve ourselves, being able to market ourselves, like all of that. And so I think there's a lot of stuff that we all need to begin to integrate and look at. It's not enough just to say, and I see this from business coaches all the time, it's not enough just to say go celebrate your worth. Raise your prices.

Laura Shook Guz: 29:00 If it was that easy, we've all read the memes, like we have all see the messages. We're supposed to know we're enough. That work is so much more than consciously knowing that, knowing that you're valuable, but being able to actually live that and make decisions from that. Really embodying that, knowing that to be true. That takes work. And again, this is something we say often in these episodes that the things that we're talking about here, they do take time. They're a practice. And we bring them up to discuss because we know that there are too many of us that are struggling alone thinking there's something wrong with us. That we are procrastinating. What's wrong with me? Everybody else seems to be just fine. But as you can attest to you and then with my own clients, there are so many ways that people are struggling with resistance in their life or like this fear of integrating. And so you're not alone. And the question is not how am I going to get myself to do this, but what is it that would help me just move a little bit more close, a little closer in to what it is that I'm resisting. Like can I just sit with it a little bit? Can I question? Can I have some compassionate and gentle questioning about what this is?

Sonya Stattman: 30:38 Yeah, and to be honest, you really have to go through it. Like one of the things I see happen, this is part of the procrastination, is a lot of women are like, I'm just going to give up all these areas of my business. I'm just going to delegate out my sales, delegate out my marketing or I'm going to do a bunch of stuff on marketing that I can hide behind my computer and no one has to ever see me. And there are all of these ways we work around it, but the thing is you're not actually integrating it and energetically it will always affect your sales. You will not make money unless you get comfortable with sales. You will not have a successful sustainable business unless you get comfortable. So it's like there's no way around these things and so I love what you just said. I could really feel it. It's like just maybe getting a little bit closer, just getting a little bit more interested. Just getting a little bit like more friendly with these parts of ourselves. It definitely is not about pushing yourself past it. You can't. You can't force yourself pass it. It's actually re-traumatizing yourself. It's actually not good for you. That's very much the masculine approach is just do it. Just eat the frog or whatever they say or whatever that is. Know, You really have to start to question the wisdom and the integration is in the questioning and in the exploration and in the, well, what is this? And why am I procrastinating? And what does that feel like? And it's allowing yourself to heal because if it is a wound, if it is an old trauma, that will take time to heal, but you've got to start just sort of looking at it and feeling into it and processing it. And then over time it integrates. A lot of women come into my program and they're scared of sales and they hate marketing and they're really scared. Some of them come in thinking they're going to actually breeze through the program and they don't even realize what they're going to move through when it starts to come up. But it takes time. My program's developed in a way that allows people to walk through it, to be able to have a little baby step and then integrate a little more and a little baby step and integrate a little more and it's time, it's patience, it's loving yourself through the process and it's allowing yourself to have permission to not be perfect. To not get it right. To not quickly move through everything because that only makes it worse.

Laura Shook Guz: 32:49 Yes. Just really being gentle. And I have clients that come into therapy, knowing that they're needing to work on something, but it may take months before they can even tell me the story of what the trauma of what they really want to work on because they're ready. They're at the door, but the pain of seeking to it makes it feel like it's more real. So there's a lot of educating people around that, like it's going through it, but we don't re-traumatize we don't have to go through it. It's different now. It's going to be different because your resourced in a different way. You're sitting with someone who can hold space for you in a different way. And so remembering that that part, your psyche that's kind of putting its feet down, like having a little bit of a tantrum, it thinks that it's going to feel the way it felt when you first experienced it. But remembering your adult self that sitting there taking you into coaching or therapy or into your business like this self is older, most likely more resourced, more connected, has all of these tools that you didn't have when you first had the pain point, that first injury or betrayal or whatever it was that hurt you. That's something we forget. We're not the same person as when that first happened and trusting your wise self to come forward and also re-parent, reassure and validate your self. Like from this new place is a gift to yourself. Again, like the procrastination is a gift into your awareness that this is something that needs to be addressed. And then you, your wiser self gets to gift back to this wounded part of you, this beautiful healing. Only you can do. Nobody else is going to do that work for you and no one can.

Sonya Stattman: 34:54 Really, what we're hoping to sort of bring to light in this episode, and also the last one on procrastination, is that really it's about reframing procrastination. Because it's a topic that a lot of women think they have an issue with, and they're beating themselves up for it. And I think it's about reframing it and looking at it differently. And that's the way through it. I think that's a good time to wrap up for today and thank you all for listening. We'll see you next week.

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